206 points by maxloh 2 hours ago | 15 comments
FinnKuhn 1 hour ago
Using the trademark is one thing. The authors brazen reaction another: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issue...
rpigab 31 minutes ago
This reaction is normal, aletik could have been the next Jia Tan, for all we know, and could have distributed "fake notepad++ for Mac" binaries with backdoors in them to thousand of Mac users who think it is an officially n++-endorsed project when it is not, created by someone who is unknown.

Aletik can fork n++ and find a name for it, but can't use the brand and logo, and should be stopped by all means necessary if he does not comply ASAP. Tech bloggers should know better than to promote this without checking.

f3408fh 1 hour ago
The disclaimer he put up on the website is comical. "In coordination with [original author], I will be _evolving the brand_ to …"
bayindirh 41 minutes ago
Smells like AI slop past its expiration date, to be honest.
pndy 25 minutes ago
Maybe this is some weird attempt to see if malicious takeover with bots is possible
47282847 1 hour ago
To me he sounds inexperienced/naive and a little scared (and thus “defensive”) but well-intentioned. His response makes me believe that he didn’t do it for fame, to deceive, or other selfish reasons.
lukan 30 minutes ago
He was told by the original author to not use the name for his project 5 days ago. 3 days ago he wrote "Guys, all I wanted to do is to make Notepad++ available on mac and keep it open and free. I'm talking to Don. I really hope he will be ok with the name. It actually expands notepad++ brand to mac."

Already ignoring the authors wishes. He said clearly it is not OK and wants the name changed. That's it - but he keeps ignoring it.

I fail to see good intentions here.

emaro 22 minutes ago
Yeah. And if you want to expand an existing brand that's not yours, you ask first, and only continue after a green light from the owner.
lukan 18 minutes ago
Well, that part might be temporarily excused by naivety. But he did ask, was not replied to - and he did it anyway. So I actually do not believe in naivety. And now it is past that point anyway.
AureliusMA 1 hour ago
I don't believe that he is naive. It looks like he wants to use the Notepad++ brand authority to capture the notepad++ macos market (which is big!) Thus he is infringing on a trademark for his own benefit.
Matl 35 minutes ago
> capture the notepad++ macos market

Is it big?

Notepad++ is big in the Windows world but I am not certain that it is automatically big on Mac. They have much more Mac-native feeling editors like TextMate, Nova, Cot, even SublimeText feels more macOS-ishy than Notepad++

I am on Linux, Notepad++ is not a name of concern on here at all and if it ever came to Linux most people wouldn't notice.

If you're in the Windows world that might seem like an improbability given how big it is there, but trust me, it's not a well known name anywhere else.

48 minutes ago
cryptonym 1 hour ago
First step would be taking down the website, second step is an apology, third step is bringing back online with new branding and eventually a final word to thank them, share the link and say they remain open to criticism.

It's not rocket science. Pretty sure even his LLM would give that strategy and implement it without burning too many tokens.

More than inexperienced, either he really can't read a room or he knows very well what he is doing.

lopis 43 minutes ago
Right? Instead we get:

- Saying he's hoping Don allows it

- "I actually did nothing wrong"

- "I actually did nothing wrong" part 2

- "I actually did nothing wrong" part 3

- Why are you so mad? Give me a week

- Why are you so mad? I added more lies to the website

- Why are you so mad? I'm working on it

... over the course of 2 days. Shutting down the website and pulling the app offline should have taken minutes.

47282847 26 minutes ago
People react differently to feedback without necessarily bad intentions. Not everyone is ready to instantly admit mistakes. Empathy goes a long way.
f3408fh 1 hour ago
A malicious actor would be happy to be publicly labeled inexperienced/naive.
doginasuit 1 hour ago
That reasoning holds but it is not based on any of the facts at hand. There's a reason why any community worth being apart of has a tendency to assume good faith. People make mistakes. I respect Don Ho's response and I don't see how the pitchfork brigade is bringing anything valuable to the situation.
lopis 48 minutes ago
People are pissed because instead of taking the feedback, apologizing and acting immediately, he wrote comment after comment giving excuses. What he did is literally illegal, and ignorance or good intentions is not a solid excuse.
f3408fh 58 minutes ago
If you’d actually installed it and realized afterward that you’d been misled, whether by someone who doesn’t understand trademarks or someone acting in bad faith, you’d probably feel differently. Leaving a comment on HN in that situation is a pretty reasonable reaction.
i_think_so 0 minutes ago
This. A billion times this. The community should be shouting from the rooftops that there is an intruder in the neighborhood.

Maybe there's no malice intended and this is just a colossal pile of honest mistakes. Maybe this author is as clueless as he appears. Maybe, but until he appears at the United Nations and doxes himself before embarking on a world wide apology tour, nobody in their right mind should install that binary. I wouldn't even run the build script in a sandbox.

pndy 1 hour ago
I don't wanna be rude but it looks like this guy just arrived on the Internet this year - around March-April and it doesn't seem like he has any prior activity. He just decided to roll this Notepad++ for macOS and that's it

Also, his medium avatar looks awfully generated.

RobotToaster 51 minutes ago
It reads to me like English isn't his first language. Either way the complexities of open source licensing are something a lot of people don't understand.
freehorse 39 minutes ago
To me it seems like a "idgaf" mentality, and trying to get as much and push as far as he can. Never in his replies he shows any sign of admitting that he should not have put the notepad++ name like this, that it looked like an actual endorsement and this was wrong. He just finally (after putting repeated pressure) accepts to change the branding. I don't understand why some people like him do that and how.

I assume it is the "fake it till you make it" mentality, like "fake the endorsement until they actually endorse your project". Clearly doesn't work like this, but if this mentality has gotten you far, why not try it here too?

You can be inexperienced and naive, and at the same time understand when you make a mistake. Being "inexperienced" because you actively refuse to learn from what people tell you that you do wrong is not inexperience anymore.

efilife 38 minutes ago
> I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams.

No inexperience here. It is malice

LeCompteSftware 1 hour ago
The smarmy dishonesty about "expanding the Notepad++ brand" actually is selfish and ill-intentioned. Perhaps he is too young and naive to fully understand that he is being parasitic. But naivety is a well-travelled path towards malice.

Regardless, he absolutely deserves to be shamed on GitHub for this. I don't like the online culture of public shame and sandbagging - I think this GitHub thread should be closed now that it's viral - but sometimes people actually do things they should be ashamed of. This needs to be a tough lesson.

efilife 35 minutes ago
I'm spamming this everywhere - taken from his blog:

> I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams.

Also' he's not young. Check his github avatar

f3408fh 29 minutes ago
It sounds like BS. Guy’s done it all if you believe his resume.
pjc50 1 hour ago
AI means never having to ask permission. Or forgiveness, it seems.
2ndorderthought 18 minutes ago
See all you do is take the repo and put it into the AI and then ask the AI to regenerate it to another directory. Et Voila the AI generated it and the person didn't do anything illegal.

Okay that might not be okay. So you take screen shots, release notes and feed that to the AI. Now it's fine.

Even better is if you can get the data trained into the model! Because then it's totally different right?

1 shotting companies is the future and that's why so many companies are accelerating ai by giving all their code and plans to the leading ai providers for money.

doginasuit 1 hour ago
That response doesn't seem brazen. It sounds like they had a deeply mistaken understanding of what an open source license grants and believed it would be fine to use the name and branding as well as the code. Unless I missed it, it sounds like they are changing how their site communicates its relationship to the original source.

What I find baffling about that conversation are the people having their LLMs weigh in on what the author should have done. Verbal takedown by LLM is a new level of cringe.

Edit: There are some replies I hadn't seen, their confusion and request for patience sounds like they still don't fully appreciate their mistake.

Semaphor 1 hour ago
It sounds brazen and incredibly entitled. The LLM response seems fitting for a vibe coded project with a vibe brain author.
RobotToaster 44 minutes ago
Honestly, the dude has added a disclaimer and agreed to change the name/logo/etc, giving the poor guy a few days to come up with a new name and register the URL doesn't seem a lot to ask. The dogpiling in that thread now seems especially unnecessary.
roncesvalles 22 minutes ago
Yeah it's pretty clear that he's well-intentioned. There are plenty of ports of open source projects literally named "port of <trademarked name>" and generally the original authors don't mind. what even is the point of open source if you can't do that?

If I fork a repo on GitHub and the name of the project is trademarked, have I committed trademark violation?

In this case he just went a little too far by cloning the whole website. Even then tbh I still take his side because it's in the spirit of the Wild West Internet culture to have done something like this.

bartread 1 hour ago
> I wanted is to bring Notepad++ to mac and allow people to find Mac version of Notepad++ quickly and use it.

Seems he’s ignorant of the ecosystem too (or possibly disingenuous, or maybe doesn’t realise he’s done something wrong or why). Notepad++ runs perfectly on macOS under Wine. I’ve been using it that way for two or three years now. Wasn’t a struggle to set up either: I simply ran the installer as if I was running Windows and then it #justworked.

LeCompteSftware 1 hour ago
"I will give you one week to change the name."

"No, I'm not going to do that."

"Okay fine, I'll report you to Cloudflare now."

"BROOOOOOOO you said you'd give me a week?!?!"

ssl-3 1 hour ago
It looks like it went more like this:

"Stop using my trademark." [1]

"OK, give me a couple of weeks. I was intending to expand your brand." [2]

"No. I've reported this to your CDN." [3]

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[1]: This is the correct way to handle things.

[2]: This has the appearance of being evidence of -deliberate- fuckery.

[3]: This kind of action is the inevitable result of deliberate fuckery.

ares623 59 minutes ago
We have found the limits of agentic engineering. Changing a logo on a website apparently takes weeks.
as1mov 1 hour ago
Funny how the vibe-coding speed grinds to 0 the moment people catch on to their bullshit. A name change requires a week but shitting out 200 commits with Claude takes barely a month.
efilife 43 minutes ago
This comment really put it into perspective to me. I wouldn't have phrased it better myself
efilife 46 minutes ago
Oh what the hell. This is the vibe coder mentality. Grift, as far as it goes
KORraN 33 minutes ago
Original announcement and discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47916964
x187463 1 hour ago
Just needs to update the site to make it clear it's an independent port of the project. Then, modify the name to MacPad++ or something. Good to go.
LeCompteSftware 1 hour ago
To be clear in the GitHub thread Don Ho repeatedly encouraged him to do this, and said it was cool that he was trying to bring Notepad++ to Mac! Just don't make it look like Don Ho and the rest of the team is responsible for any quality issues. Don't use the logo!

"Objective-Notepad" was right there.

ErroneousBosh 1 hour ago
> "Objective-Notepad" was right there.

It still is. There's only a handful of hits on Google for that, too.

You should do it. I'd do it if I had a Mac and used Notepad++ ;-)

HelloUsername 1 hour ago
Related discussions:

"Notepad++ for Mac – Independent community port" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47916964 27-apr-2026 85 comments

"Notepad++ Code Editor Comes to Mac After 20-Year Wait" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47947740 29-apr-2026 36 comments

Bender 42 minutes ago
A similar thing happened for OTR recently. [1] Is the AI naming the vibe coded projects? Many of these are getting submitted to /newest

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47997919

i_think_so 5 minutes ago
Plenty of very thoughtful comments so far about copyright, community, developers who might not speak English as a first language, .... Very few people mentioning the obvious:

MALICIOUS BINARY!

Did we learn nothing from the xz malware fiasco? One update quietly pushed out at night while nobody's paying attention and boom.

albertzeyer 31 minutes ago
Why not just getting the changes/extensions upstream, welcome the Mac dev on the team, and make it an official port?
dewey 9 minutes ago
That might have been a possibility if brought forward in an open and reasonable way, a bit harder to trust someone once they just vibe adopted the project someone was working on for decades and didn't seen an issue with that. Also "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
f3408fh 23 minutes ago
You don’t adopt an unofficial fork just because it exists. Showing up with a clone isn’t the same as meeting the standards required to be part of the original project
lukan 26 minutes ago
Maybe there are trust issues now? I certainly would refuse to work with someone who comes and steals my brand, pretends I am on board with this and refuses to comply even after being called out.
krzyzanowskim 1 hour ago
becase there is only one Notepad.exe https://notepadexe.com on the mac
f3408fh 1 hour ago
FFS. I installed it after seeing it here on HN and on MacRumors. Terrible failure on my part but MacRumors should offer an apology for endorsing this fake release.
0x000xca0xfe 8 minutes ago
Same with heise online, Germany's largest IT news site:

https://web.archive.org/web/20260430011533/https://www.heise...

AureliusMA 1 hour ago
This is such a blow for MacRumors... I won't be taking them seriously anymore after this. They are complicit.
dewey 8 minutes ago
A website that's specialized into running unconfirmed rumors for clicks, shocking!
odie5533 52 minutes ago
The National Enquirer publishing rumors and gossip?! I'll never read them again!
f3408fh 1 hour ago
Me neither. So far all I see is a puny "[Updated]" title on the article with no apology or indication of what was updated.
pndy 1 hour ago
An apology? That'd be... breaking news /s
nguyenkien 1 hour ago
First thing I do is check official notepad++ website. I didn't see anything, that what's stop me.
f3408fh 1 hour ago
Smart. Good on you for noticing it wasn’t the real website.
j1elo 23 minutes ago
I mean, the website is called "Rumors", so their reliability is in compliance with the letter of the contract :-)
omblivion 1 hour ago
It is astonishing how blatant people can be. How do they imagine they won't be immediately called out?

Hopefully the domain and the app on the app store gets taken down soon.

odie5533 52 minutes ago
He probably didn't know it was trademarked, and probably didn't think people would get upset, and he's now trying to make it right. Why assume malice on this guy?
efilife 41 minutes ago
> I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams.

He seems to have enough experience to know how trademarks work

RedShift1 1 hour ago
Is notepad++ a registered trademark?
voidUpdate 1 hour ago
FinnKuhn 1 hour ago
So, it's a French trademark. Not a lawyer, but from what I remember trademarks need to be registered in every region you want to enforce them in separately.

If the author of "Notepad++ for Mac" doesn't happen to be French as well, is there anything (legally) preventing them from using this trademark?

mr_toad 1 hour ago
You can enforce an unregistered trademark, but you need evidence that it’s actually yours. Registration makes that easier.
voidUpdate 1 hour ago
If a mac user is in France, does the software they use have to abide by French laws?
IshKebab 1 hour ago
That's not correct. You don't have to register a trademark in order for it to be protected, it's just recommended because if you do register it you don't have to separately prove that you have built up brand reputation. That should be pretty easy for a project as old and well-known as this though.
ssl-3 1 hour ago
You're correct.

In very, very broad US-centric* strokes: Using a mark in trade is enough to establish a defensible trademark.

Registering a trademark can be useful, but it is also optional. At very least, registration helps make the ownership of the mark easier to discover and this can help everyone start on the right foot.

(* I'm not familiar at all with the laws of France, but that's fine: The alleged violation happened in New York.)

deaux 40 minutes ago
> In very, very broad US-centric* strokes: Using a mark in trade is enough to establish a defensible trademark.

Isn't that only if it's something that would actually qualify for a trademark?

For example, "Car Shop" or probably even "Hamburgers USA" would not qualify for a trademark due to being overly generic/descriptive (in many jurisdictions).

Now in Notepad++'s case the inclusion of the ++ obviously means it would indeed qualify.

Just asking as I'm sure there's people around here with personal experience around the topic, though again it can differ quite a bit by country.

FinnKuhn 28 minutes ago
Thank you for explaining this to me. That makes total sense!
AureliusMA 1 hour ago
Yes
karel-3d 1 hour ago
The app seems to be entirely vibe-coded. ("multi-agent AI development workflows are what make a one-person project at this scale practical")

However the author says he will "move from the branding".

odie5533 49 minutes ago
I suspect we will not see a non-vibe-coded app again. I think such days are in the past now.
ares623 56 minutes ago
(posting my comment from the other thread) Hilarious. How long does it take to vibecode the requests to change the logo and name. Vibecoding a port from scratch is super fast as long as you don't need permission huh. Then when the adults ask you to not infringe on copyright, it's all "please be patient guys. I am boy. Give me one week pls."
andai 1 hour ago
Not to be confused with

https://notepadexe.com/

gverrilla 1 hour ago
It's the Trump pattern: break all rules to benefit yourself until someone or something stops you. USA has not yet reached this clarity.