269 points by lxm 2 days ago | 14 comments
jbombadil 8 hours ago
qnleigh 5 hours ago
When this all started, the Onion released a priceless 'press statement':

"Through it all, InfoWars has shown an unswerving commitment to manufacturing anger and radicalizing the most vulnerable members of society—values that resonate deeply with all of us at Global Tetrahedron.

No price would be too high for such a cornucopia of malleable assets and minds. And yet, in a stroke of good fortune, a formidable special interest group has outwitted the hapless owner of InfoWars (a forgettable man with an already-forgotten name) and forced him to sell it at a steep bargain: less than one trillion dollars..."

Full statement here https://theonion.com/heres-why-i-decided-to-buy-infowars/

helsinkiandrew 3 hours ago
Brilliant plans for the future:

https://theonion.info/?p=1

> Such is the InfoWars I envision: An infinite virtual surface teeming with ads. Not just ads, but scams! Not just scams, but lies with no object, free radical misinformation, sentences and images so poorly thought out that they are unhealthy even to view for just a few seconds. The InfoWars of old was only the prototype for the hell I know we can build together: A digital platform where, every day, visitors sacrifice themselves at altars of delusion and misery, their minds fully disintegrating on contact.

api 1 hour ago
Makes me think of the old Monty Python joke so funny it kills everyone skit.

Which makes me think of a thread years ago I saw on the modern equivalent: a meme so offensive (to literally everyone at once) nobody can see it without having an anger induced aneurism.

The skit would be a comical updated take on the Python skit. A hardened memelord shitposter troll is found dead in his basement, surrounded by rotted pizza boxes, empty energy drink cans, and penis enlargement pills. Something is on his screen. The person who finds it immediately flies into a rage so extreme they have an immediate brain aneurism and die. "We showed the meme to the most hardened Nazi edgelord trolls we could find on the worst Discords, Chans, and Telegram channels. Most did not survive. Some were saved by medical intervention but sustained severe brain damage..."

rescripting 59 minutes ago
See also, the children’s book Fluffy McWhiskers Cuteness Explosion.
guzfip 29 minutes ago
> A digital platform where, every day, visitors sacrifice themselves at altars of delusion and misery, their minds fully disintegrating on contact.

Zuckerberg already did it.

54aJh 3 hours ago
The Onion is satire, so ... But Alex Jones is currently busy with Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly and others to bitterly criticize Trump for the Iran war.

Trump retaliated by calling all of them "low IQ".

Given that Carlson's media company has an investment from the ubiquitous 1789 Capital (Thiel and Trump Jr.), we don't know if this is theater to keep the isolationist MAGA in the fold.

It could also be that they sacrifice Trump in order to accelerate Thiel's and Vance's technocracy.

Anyway, these influencers are still useful for their masters.

afavour 2 hours ago
They’re just reading polls and reacting accordingly. There’s no principle involved.
brookst 32 minutes ago
And they aren’t being objective and rational about the polls, they are funding and cherry-picking poll data that tells them to do what they want to do.

There’s no principle, no strategy, no goal. We’re living in the political version of Cube, and just like the movie: it’s a headless blunder operating under the illusion of a master plan.

lesuorac 1 hour ago
Literally no principal involved.

Tucker will take any position for money see his entire career!

Plus the guy was advocating the administration should attack Iran for attempting to assassinate trump.

ourmandave 48 minutes ago
I dunno, he's pretty consistent as a white nationalist.

Having to take unscheduled vacations from Fox News over some of his more racist comments.

towledev 2 hours ago
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nathanmills 2 hours ago
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lynx97 2 hours ago
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franga2000 2 hours ago
What exactly is patronizing here? Or is it just calling them the most vulnerable?
wutwutwat 1 hour ago
The list you just thought up trying to argue about literal jokes from a literal joke making company tells us more about you and your opinions regarding others than it says about the joke the joke making company made
glimshe 4 hours ago
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win2k 4 hours ago
Babylon Bee forces you to accept cookies to use their site. Worth avoiding.
Traster 4 hours ago
As with all silly internet block BS, simply reload the site and hit escape before the cookie banner loads.
latexr 3 hours ago
> reload the site and hit escape

What exactly does that do? Which web browser?

I’m on mobile right now, so can’t test.

win2k 3 hours ago
I'm on Firefox and it did nothing for me. The popup came up so fast between me refreshing and hitting escape.

Alternatively, you can disable JavaScript on the website. That lets me view it.

vasco 3 hours ago
Or just inspect element + press delete. In some cases you also need to then delete an extra gray overlay and re-enable scroll on the base html tag, but takes 30s
LightBug1 4 hours ago
I shut that site down as soon as I saw that. Gross.
gnabgib 8 hours ago
Discussion (627 points, 2 days ago, 320 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47837611
mikeodds 4 hours ago
Maybe I’m out of touch, but doesn’t a $1.4b dollar settlement for this seem rather… large?
pie_flavor 3 hours ago
The context is that Jones blew up the court process every chance he got, setting a new record for contempt fining. The most important piece was refusing to comply with discovery (his lawyer was so bad-behaved here he ended up with a disciplinary suspension). As a result Jones received a default judgement, i.e. the plaintiffs win by default and he doesn't get to argue his case. This also means the plaintiffs get everything they were asking for. And then for some reason he didn't even enter an argument during the damages calculation phase, so the jury just went with whatever the plaintiffs said.
pippy360 1 hour ago
Do you have a good/entertaining source for this? I'd love to read (or watch/listen) more about it
anonymars 25 minutes ago
I think you'll enjoy this brief clip (3 min) when it's revealed the defense lawyer accidentally provided the plaintiffs a copy of his entire phone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxZSBfGXUM

ChristianJacobs 31 minutes ago
LegalEagle[0] covered this shitshow in great detail with solid commentary. Can recommend.

[0]: https://youtu.be/x-QcbOphxYs

This is when from when Jones' lawyer sent a copy of his phone to the opposition...

noirscape 2 hours ago
Besides Jones and his lawyer absolutely botching his defense and basically giving up the case (and pissing off the courts as I understand it, which is a bad fucking idea and usually also leads to larger fines), the $1.4 billion is just what Jones managed to rack it up to before entering bankruptcy proceedings, which froze his debt collectors out for a bit.

Alongside the class action, Jones was iirc also facing several separate lawsuits, so what you're seeing here is multiple lost lawsuits (I think he lost 4?) adding up.

The bankruptcy also doesn't wipe the slate clean for Jones afaiu, because he specifically was found to be malicious in his behavior. Court debts aren't wiped in that situation. He's still on the hook for that.

phatfish 25 minutes ago
Surely he just waits for the Trump pardon in 2028? Or is this something he can't be pardoned for?
cap11235 23 minutes ago
It's a civil lawsuit.
jeroenhd 3 hours ago
I don't think so. With how much money was made and direct attacks on individual members on the legal system, I think it's a breath of fresh air to see the rich and influential actually get punished. There's frustrating the legal system, and then there's lying under oath and executing smear campaigns against judges.

If Alex Jones wanted a smaller settlement, he could've chosen to destroy fewer lies, comply with legal orders, or simply not commit any number of his many other legal infractions.

He's desperately trying to weasel his way out of paying any of it back by doing things like moving assets around, leaving companies empty, and then declaring bankruptcy on them. His victims will probably spend the rest of their lives chasing after the compensation they're owed, but perhaps at least taking Jones' branding from him might be punishment for a man like him.

mcdonje 4 hours ago
We're not going to have a rehash of the McDonald's coffee settlement argument here, are we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

Schiendelman 1 hour ago
She deserved way more than that for the way they tried to smear her afterward!
ziml77 9 minutes ago
Seriously, the reporting on that was so terribly biased that many people still think it was a frivolous lawsuit.
austin-cheney 3 hours ago
It is absurdly large and deliberately so. First of all this was a class action suit representing 22 plaintiffs. Secondly, the number was large to punish the defendant for continuously disrespecting the count with bad repeated behavior. Third, there was no defense because the defendant failed to work with the court resulting in a summary judgment.
Zak 1 hour ago
Yes, at first. If it was a typical defamation case based on a single incident or short pattern of conduct, and if Jones behaved like a typical defendant, hiring a competent lawyer and mostly complying with court orders, the judgment would have been a few million dollars. That's not what happened.

Instead, Jones repeatedly failed to comply with court orders and attempted to delay the trial. He lied under oath, broadcast lies about the plaintiffs, and mocked the plaintiffs on his show after losing a case. He additionally broadcast his intent to continue spreading disinformation about the Sandy Hook shooting.

The long-term pattern of treating the court with contempt and clear intent to continue his illegal behavior are an extreme level of noncompliance for a defendant in a lawsuit, and they added up to an extreme penalty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones#Sandy_Hook_Elementa...

sophacles 12 minutes ago
No, it doesn't seem rather large.

The man made a fortune destroying the reputations of some people, and he did so by (provably) intentionally lying about them, without their consent and with nothing paid to them. They deserve every peny of that - he stole their reputations and as with all theft, reparations are logical.

In addition he grew his following with those lies, and that following will continue to give him money. This is the interest and dividends of those lies.... it's the result of him investing the reputatoins he destroyed. Since you can't sell a following, but it's still a profit generating asset, it's fair to make Jones turn over those dividends. This ensures that he'll be turning over those dividends for a long time.

Finally there's a punative component - making sure he doesn't continue to maliciously destroy reputations for profit. It's a good idea to make sure such a pile of shit thinks twice about he tells more lies to the morons and trash that follow him.

kikokikokiko 4 hours ago
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OtherShrezzing 4 hours ago
I’m just not sure you can make the claim that this is an issue between the outlet and the establishment. It’s had hosts like Roger Stone doing 5 episodes a week. He’s the former campaign advisor for the sitting president of the United States, and advisor to Dole, Bush (both), and Reagan.

It doesn’t get more establishment than that. So the “down and out anti-establishment underdog” narrative doesn’t apply in my opinion.

pjc50 3 hours ago
To people like that, random college students are "establishment" because they are lefty, and the literal President of the United States is "anti-establishment" because he uses slurs on social media.
pjc50 3 hours ago
If people want to get their "hard truths" out, they shouldn't contaminate them with 9/10 parts of lies, and they certainly shouldn't run a harassment campaign against the parents of murdered children.

> Infowars delenda est.

Yes.

BadBadJellyBean 4 hours ago
He hurt innocent people with his voice without regrets. He wanted to die on that hill and if so he can be lucky that only his voice might die.
kikokikokiko 4 hours ago
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tsimionescu 2 hours ago
He had every possible chance to argue his case, both against culpability and then against the specific damages, but both he and the lawyers he hired refused to do so. This 1.4b dollars was not a particularly harsh judgment coming down from the establishment (note that the establishment is the president Jones was a paid campaign member for), it was the result of his implicit acceptance of every claim the Snady Hook parents made.
LarsKrimi 3 hours ago
What would instead have been a reasonable punishment?

Either he truly believed that the kids at Sandy Hook were actors, or he was using it as part of his grift and making money of it.

As far as I can tell he has not reversed his stance on it

hagbard_c 4 hours ago
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blks 3 hours ago
You should read how this particularly huge settlement was achieved. It’s on Alex Jones for refusing to participate in the legal debate, contemning the court, refusing discovery, et cetera.

With better legal defence he may have to pay much and much less.

hagbard_c 3 hours ago
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defrost 3 hours ago
As a drive by reader that votes, I can guess why you copped a few whacks;

The tone is off and it appears to carry the implication that you might believe that none of the above (Jones, Piker, Owens) should be landed with fines despite on the face of it saying the opposite.

A cleaner comment would be better; just explain what it is that Piker has done that is equivilant to Jones' multi decade harrassment of the Sandi Hook parents, ditto Owens.

( for record, I'm non-USAian and unfamiliar with either Piker or Owens )

tsimionescu 2 hours ago
Your comment was bad because you don't know the context of Jones' case and how the penalty was arrived at, and are thus extrapolating without any merit to other people.

Neither Hassan Piker nor Candace Owens, nor any other of the many inflammatory voices on the left or right of the new media ecosystem, have done anything remotely close to the type of harassment that Alex Jones exposed the Sandy Hook victims to. Directly accusing grieving parents and children of being completely fake paid "crisis actors", again and again, with images and "analysis" and so on, is beyond anything another media personality has had the poor taste and temerity to try - perhaps in history, certainly in America.

Even then, the only reason the judgement ended up at such a gigantic number is that Alex Jones and his lawyers refused to argue their case to any extent, and in fact directly attacked and antagonized the court and the judge. They lost the case through summary judgement after repeated refusals to follow the normal procedural rules or even to show up in court. Then, they repeated the same refusal to participate or argue their case during the damages settlement, again forcing the court to simply award the amount requested by the plaintiffs, which is always set to a huge number as a negotiating tactic.

So no, the fact that someone argues that Alex Jones deserved this punishment fully is not in any way in conflict with believing that Hassan or Candace Owens or any other new media personality deserves anything similar.

hackable_sand 3 hours ago
Not interesting
tokai 2 hours ago
Adds nothing, inflammatory in tone, missing the point of discussion. If you weren't grayed out something would be serious wrong with this site.
rob74 3 hours ago
> 5 will be crazy cucko insane shit, 4 will be common sense american conservative talking points

If you ask me, it's getting harder and harder to draw a line between those two categories...

treebeard901 7 hours ago
Turning into an odd form of a take over. Basically renting it for 3 months to let Tim Heidecker do a few shows??
mellosouls 7 hours ago
Editorialized title. It has a plan to take over that will need approval. Lots of non-paywalled coverage that would be better links, eg:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/20/the-onion-al...

See previous discussion linked in sibling as well.

onetokeoverthe 7 hours ago
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razorbeamz 2 days ago
I hope Dan and Jordan can get the desk like they've always wanted.
treebeard901 7 hours ago
I'm concerned they won't know what to do without Alex. Already going back over shows from 2006...
troutwine 42 minutes ago
They’ve bounced around in time — and across InfoWars adjacent shows — for a good chunk of their run so far. I suspect they’ll be okay. Worst case the world suddenly becomes much kinder and gentler and there’s no new content being made in their wheelhouse, which seems like a win still.

Also, Jones has already set up a new media company he totally doesn’t own, no sir. He’ll move his operation when he finally loses InfoWars.

qwertytyyuu 5 hours ago
No way, i can't believe it actually happened! I would have though alex would though alex and his goons would have managed to stop it
kdheiwns 3 hours ago
Not sure if it even matters since Alex Jones is just going to keep doing what he's doing.

Judgements demanding he pay billions keep coming out and he just says he's not paying, and nobody has forced him to either. Even if infowars' brand changes hands, that's the extent of it.

gafferongames 1 hour ago
brb. Turning my gold into piss
phendrenad2 6 hours ago
A million dollars a year for... what? A gag that fans of infowars won't watch, and there aren't enough anti-fans to appreciate? It feels personal at this point.
ChrisRR 4 hours ago
> It feels personal at this point.

Of course it's personal. Alex Jones is an arsehole manufacturing outrage for profit. Being made fun of is the least of his problems

HerbManic 6 hours ago
Tim heidecker summarised their thinking wonderfully.

"I just thought it would be just a beautiful joke if we could take this pretty toxic, negative, destructive force of Infowars and rebrand it as this beautiful place for our creativity”.

luke727 6 hours ago
Not to mention Alex Jones is still up and running elsewhere spreading his nonsense and hawking his merch. So it's a cute gag, I guess, and gets the Sandy Hook families some money, but doesn't really change the status quo.
aqme28 4 hours ago
I disagree. It's a lot better than if it were bought by simply a different far-right media outlet.

This keeps it out of that ecosystem, which I think is a really good thing.

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jdub 59 minutes ago
> It feels personal at this point.

Yeah, it seems hard to believe that anyone would take Alex Jones' behaviour so personally. He only suggested that the murder of 20 young children and 6 adults in a school shooting was faked for political reasons.

(Are you serious?!)

vor_ 6 hours ago
Because it's funny that The Onion will be taking over InfoWars.
MiscIdeaMaker99 31 minutes ago
And I'm _still_ laughing. LOL
jayd16 6 hours ago
Think of it as a million dollar ad buy.
yread 3 hours ago
Or a charitable gift to Sandy Hook families
sophacles 5 minutes ago
It is personal. He intentionally lied about the parents of dead children. Thats as personal of an attack as it gets. Of course those parents are going to take it personally and go after the sick pile of shit who lied about them.
watwut 6 hours ago
> It feels personal at this point.

It is openly and proudly personal. It is also political, also openly.

unconed 5 hours ago
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Arodex 5 hours ago
So, amongst all the things that happened and happening right now, you think "someone is incredibly petty against Alex Jones" is worth spending your time complaining about. Alex Jones, the one who harassed mass shooting survivors.
jjj123 4 hours ago
Seems appropriate for satirists to do a petty attack on a bad man. That’s kind of the whole thing, isn’t it?

I’d rather it be collective action that produces real change, but humor is cathartic so I’ll take it.

Angostura 4 hours ago
Pause for a moment. Do you have young kids? Imagine for a moment that they were slaughtered in a mass shooting and a bunch of people made money by launching a harassment campaign targeting you as a liar who probably never had kids, or alternatively used them as paid actors. Imagine this campaign went on for years.

And someone repurpose one of the instigator’s web sites as a humour outlet is the issue that leaves a bad taste in your mouth?

pjc50 3 hours ago
As opposed to the Alex Jones show, a Two Minute Hate for rightwingers? These people love to dish it out but can't take it when someone else uses their tactics against them.
Pay08 5 hours ago
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gundamdoubleO 4 hours ago
It's funny
reedf1 5 hours ago
> It feels personal at this point.

Fucking hell that's a funny line.

Lordtell123 3 hours ago
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jazz9k 2 hours ago
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ChrisRR 1 hour ago
Who are "they" and what have they blamed Jones for more than the murderer?

Because I'm fairly sure no-one is claiming that Jones is a murderer or that the Sandy Hook killer was defaming people

jazz9k 1 hour ago
The parents. Why not sue Adam Lanza's family for giving him access to guns? Alex Jones should be allowed to express his opinion to his audience. He never told anyone to harass the family.

Many people on Blue Sky are spreading outright lies about their political opponents and have definitely contributed to the violence toward them.

We don't see articles like this (or discussions in the HN community) because many just agree with the lies being spewed and hate their political opponents anyway.

It proves that it has nothing to do with the family and everything to do with punishing Alex Jones for helping Trump win. When you hear the interviews with the CEO of the onion, it's even more evident.

Again, Justice shouldn't work this way.

IAmBroom 1 hour ago
Mostly your reading comprehension.
cindyllm 2 hours ago
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dirasieb 2 hours ago
i don’t understand how this is not a 1st amendment violation

can someone explain the difference between what alex jones said about sandy hook and what other people say about 9/11 being an inside job, hologram planes, fake this fake that etc

defrost 2 hours ago
First amendment prevents the federal government from preventing speech or punishing for speech (subject to a few exceptions).

This was not that.

This was a civil defamation case; the parents bought a case of actual material harm and harrassment of epic proportions before two seperate judges in two seperate states and both courts made the finding that Jones had indeed caused harm and harrassment .. and continued to do so over years.

mech998877 24 minutes ago
With regards to defamation law, the first amendment does result in the USA having a higher bar for prosecution than most countries- GP still has a valid question.
lateforwork 1 minute ago
The word "prosecution" implies criminal case brought by the government. This was a civil case brought by the victims.

If you mean higher bar for litigation, then maybe this lawsuit and its outcome shows that the bar isn't as high as you think when it comes to defamation?

fullshark 11 minutes ago
This seems like a good faith question to me, Jones clearly operated thinking he was protected under the first amendment, and it was not obvious to me he was going to lose his court case despite morally finding his actions repugnant.
tsimionescu 2 hours ago
This is not a case about Sandy Hook the event - it is a defamation case by the victims of that event, that Alex Jones directly attacked.

This is the biggest difference - no one is claiming that all of the people who lost their loved ones in the 9/11 attacks were actually actors paid to pretend that they were grieving for their parents and children and friends. No one was encouraged to personally attack said victims and survivors to "expose their lies" because of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Furthermore, defamation law works very differently for claims against public personalities ("Bush did 9/11!") compared to claims against private persons ("this random child shown crying in news reports after her classmates were supposedly killed is actually pretending!"). Also, vague accusations of orchestrating a criminal conspiracy / cover up are far harder to litigate than very clear claims of massive fraud. Finally, the Sandy Hook victims were generally able to show specific damages they suffered, attacks against them by people in their community, because of Jones' actions; Dick Cheney may have been more generally hated because of claims about 9/11 conspiracies, but was not directly harasses in the same way.

5129agf 2 hours ago
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