85 points by tannhaeuser 14 hours ago | 15 comments
littlecranky67 50 minutes ago
It looks like it is covered in guano, so it is going to be annexed by the USA soon [0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano_Islands_Act

nl 10 hours ago
It's not explicitly stated but it seems that this island was not charted because the area it was in had previously been full of icebergs.

> On the satellite images analysed, the island could hardly be distinguished from the numerous icebergs drifting around in the immediate vicinity due to its ice cover.

arcticfox 9 hours ago
I have no interest in finding islands, but it seems like it would be pretty easy to find icebergs that never move.
rtpg 6 hours ago
reading this I was wondering about this.

My sort of childlike mental model of satelite imagery of the planet is that we've "covered" everything but does anyone know at what frequency we do get new satelite imagery for places like the antarctic (or, say, the dead middle of the atlantic ocean?)

I imagine that satelite imagery is a bit needs based but maybe every square meter of the earth is captured at least once a couple of months

(Not the same thing but am reminded of how despite the importance of the internet and undersea cables for fixing things, there are _very very few_ boats that can actually repair them. Maybe there aren't that many satellites pointing at some parts of the globe)

wongarsu 2 hours ago
Around the poles is a bit of a blind spot in satellite coverage. The angle with which the satellite orbit is offset from an equatorial orbit is called the orbital inclination. Because the earth rotates under the satellite, a 0° orbit would give you perfect coverage of the equator and not much more, a 10° orbit would give you good coverage of a band around the equator, etc. The closer to 90°, the more coverage you get of the northern and southern latitudes.

Now there's a neat trick you can pull where you go into a special 98° orbit (so like a 82° orbit, but in the other direction). At that point the slight bulge of the earth twists your orbit around just so that for any given point on earth you always pass over it at the same time of day, giving you identical shadows. That's called a sun-synchronous orbit, and is obviously immensely helpful for optical observations. But those missing 8 degrees prevent you from observing extreme latitudes. Usually we don't care because not much is happening there anyways

Even satellites without optical instruments usually suffer from the same blindspot. For example if you look at the Starlink constellation almost all satellites only reach up to about the middle of Great Britain. Everything further North is only served by a much smaller number of high inclination satellites. And there don't seem to be any Starlink satellites going directly over the poles

cyberax 3 hours ago
> I imagine that satelite imagery is a bit needs based but maybe every square meter of the earth is captured at least once a couple of months

Probably, but likely not as thoroughly as you'd think.

The problem with most high-resolution imaging satellites is that they are not designed to work over the ocean. They can't track the Earth perfectly, so they use a lot of image processing to "unsmear" the images. These algorithms rely on tracking recognizable features moving across the frames. Which obviously fails with the ocean.

So you often get hilarious results with images of offshore drilling platforms or ships.

That being said, there are satellites specifically designed for ocean observation, so they likely won't miss something as big as a new island.

bigiain 2 hours ago
I watched a youtube vid recently (so use that to calibrate your bullshit detector here) that said there are a bunch of companies and even freely accessible satellites with Synthetic Aperture Radar covering the entire earth every 12 days.

( https://youtu.be/UKLuei1CnZY )

eru 3 hours ago
Well, they often have pre-discoveries for astronomical stuff. Where they find whatever they just discovered already being on old photographs. Why would satellite pictures be any different?
DoctorOetker 8 hours ago
Such a search could still be run to predict new islands before they are discovered in the same way?
ithkuil 4 hours ago
Perfect place for the fortress of solitude!
Aardwolf 2 hours ago
Not if it's on a map anymore
madaxe_again 4 hours ago
Also, it’s Antarctica. Observation at the poles is patchy compared to elsewhere on Earth. Low satellite coverage, illumination issues, lack of incentives, etc. - and that’s just satellite and aerial ops, never mind boots on the ground.

I was in the Antarctic about a decade ago, and this was underscored for me when we went to visit an island which has had maybe 20 humans visit, total - only to find it wasn’t where any of the charts said it was - it was about 3 miles away.

Fortunately we could just see it, as we had fine weather - which, upon further reading, neither of the previous surveys could, which explains the error - they had gone by dead reckoning in the era before GPS.

aaron695 1 hour ago
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igleria 39 minutes ago
Not a shooting star, but the tiny new island reminds me of this Tintin comic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shooting_Star
teeray 11 hours ago
> the scientists and ship's crew were surprised by the sudden appearance of an island that had previously only been marked as a danger zone on the available nautical charts.

There is definitely cursed pirates treasure on that island

sudb 11 hours ago
I assumed that satellite data would have been enough to know if something was an iceberg or land - wild that new land is still being discovered!
phire 9 hours ago
Appears that nobody ever ran a search. Probably because everyone just assumed there was no new land to discover.
Maxion 4 hours ago
The satellite data persumably also needs to be purchased, the area is huge, and this island is relatively tiny.
yauneyz 4 hours ago
I'm sure astronomy solves much harder "needle in a haystack" problems and we could probably use their methods
bhouston 11 hours ago
What are the gps coordinates? I want to look it up on Google Maps.

Generally somewhere around here:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/wy1PNDWcvP7h9d4j7?g_st=ic

I notice that this area isn’t fully imaged. Just around the known existing islands.

robinhouston 9 hours ago
From the article: “The team will publish the exact position of the island once the naming process is complete”
justinclift 5 hours ago
Wonder if it'll be close enough to Greenland for the US (or others) to put a base on it? ;)
prmoustache 5 hours ago
It is located on antarctic waters.
justinclift 4 hours ago
Thanks, misread that. ;)
GJim 2 hours ago
> What are the gps coordinates?

You mean the latitude and longitude.

There are many ways of calculating a position beyond one particular GNSS system.

arcza 1 hour ago
Peak HN comment
dbcurtis 6 hours ago
The burning question is whether or not it qualifies as a new DXCC entity.
sanex 8 hours ago
This appears to be a relatively scientific institution and yet they don't use the internationally recognized unit of measurement the American football field. I have no idea how big this island is now.
jmalicki 6 hours ago
In the words of the great General Washington, we use meters and kilometers for certain unpopular sports like swimming.

So for measuring an island, use of swimming units seems appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk

readthenotes1 7 hours ago
It's a little cryptic, but I believe this passage "slightly longer than the Polarstern with its 118 metres and about twice as wide"

tells us it's the size of two Polarsterns laid side by side.

I still don't know what that is in terms of football fields, I assume you mean United States and not Canada, but maybe someone else can help out as I've gone as far as I can.

nostrademons 6 hours ago
It's about a football field in both length and width. Little bit longer.
trick-or-treat 4 hours ago
It shall be known as Football Field Island.
restlessforge 14 hours ago
Is this the start of a Jules Verne novel? Really though super cool
robot-wrangler 10 hours ago
Or something darker.. R'yleh where dead Cthulu lies dreaming is out there near Point Nemo too ;)
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georgemcbay 8 hours ago
Or something even darker than that...

What if this story took place on a planet where the inhabitants collectively decided to value at-all-costs economic growth over a sustainable ecosystem, resulting in a situation where they were losing over a trillion metric tons of ice per year and that is what caused the mysterious island to be revealed...?

hsbauauvhabzb 8 hours ago
So basically Epstein island without the child sexual abuse?
ClassAndBurn 10 hours ago
Uncharted island found. Charted.
pseudohadamard 7 hours ago
I think they should name it Islandy McIslandface.
chinabot 7 hours ago
Valuable real-estate, it wont have any tariffs!
trick-or-treat 4 hours ago
Not until it has exports at least. After that they will need to allow a Trump hotel.
bulletsvshumans 11 hours ago
Dibs
jmclnx 12 hours ago
Interesting, I would normally expect small islands like this to disappear.

Would be interesting if they find more info on the satellite images they are examining.

tejtm 10 hours ago
With ice off they may rebound (up) nigh perceptibly
jmclnx 8 hours ago
That's right, I forgot about that!
booleandilemma 9 hours ago
How much would an island like that set me back?
throwawaymobule 3 hours ago
If it's in the Antarctic, it may be covered by treaty, and not legal to own.
SilentM68 10 hours ago
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