94 points by AftHurrahWinch 2 hours ago | 26 comments
dmos62 1 hour ago
Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking.

A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. Also, these can be life-savers for an outpost when weather conditions ground all drones.

This is a fluff piece, but these machines might become very real very soon. They're already used for resupply and dropping mines. We have plenty of videos of that from both sides. A few months ago we had a video of one of these taking out an infantry carrier. This is not vaporware. It's a bad approach at worst, but I wouldn't be surprised if this grows exponentially for many years to come.

chasil 13 minutes ago
philip1209 1 minute ago
> each evening, it withdrew to a covered location.

Interesting - why?

Animats 1 hour ago
This is a standard unit from DevDroid.[1] Here's the marketing video.[2] It's available for pre-order. They also have a model with a grenade launcher.

[1] https://devdroid.tech/en/catalog/droid-tw

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oay_-cAlLXE

lovegrenoble 0 minutes ago
Another con job...
aogaili 21 minutes ago
At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day?

Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game?

In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose.

If you think about, we moved human one-on-one battles to MMA and combat sport, this allowed channeling individual human aggression in a controlled environment. The future war might be not very different, swarm of drones fighting other swarm of drones while others watching on the news, who can build, manage and deploy smarter and more effective drones. If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat.

neonstatic 17 minutes ago
> abstract it away and play video game?

What happens when one side wins? In the real world, they actually win. In the video game, nothing happens

> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively

In other words, in the near future it might work the exact way it has always worked.

> they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat.

Your ideas are based on the idea of winning in a closed-system game. War is waged by people. Some people actually want the other people to die.

aogaili 3 minutes ago
Yes, but it not like before.

We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable.

So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply chain. So we basically made the cost of genocide or colonization too high to absorb. Previous wars, people got away with it.

jazzpush2 10 minutes ago
Finally, my years of playing Starcraft have real-world use! Also: Everyone will soon bow to S. Korea :D
xeonmc 12 minutes ago
So like the old League of Legends lore before their Institute of War retcon?
fred_is_fred 6 minutes ago
Orignal Star Trek did an episode on this - "A Taste of Armageddon". The war was a video game - fought on a computer. But if the virtual bombs hit your area, you were declared dead and had to a report to a disintegration chamber. If you can get past the dated special effects - the concept is the same.
ALittleLight 8 minutes ago
The difference is you can appeal or ignore a game result. If Ukraine lost a strategy game tournament, would they give up their territory? Or fight to hold it still?
aogaili 1 minute ago
Yes we are not fully there yet, but we are getting there.

We are seeing the transition right in front of our eyes.

alephnerd 12 minutes ago
> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively

This has been the assumption for over a decade now.

> those who can't produce any more drones, lose

Already the norm. Even the Taliban has been operating a drone mass production program for a couple years now [0][1].

> If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they could easily kill the people, but other nations won't allow it, so it will stop at economical defeat

This abstraction of warfare isn't as peaceful as you make it out to be. Operationally, you still need to take out dual use infra which in a number of cases is civilian in nature.

The reality is, countries have increasingly accepted that civilian casualties will occur and it doesn't matter because they don't impact tactical goals.

[0] - https://www.themiddleeastuncovered.com/p/inside-the-talibans...

[1] - https://thekhorasandiary.com/en/2026/03/13/taliban-strengthe...

spyder 6 minutes ago
But how it was not destroyed by flying Russian drones? Did it shot them down? Or did it have some anti-drone support unit helping it?
aprentic 56 minutes ago
Reading between the lines of the article it seems advanced but not too surprising.

I assume that at night when it "withdrew to a covered location" there was opportunity for maintenance, battery swaps, etc.

The article says that it successfully carried out "multiple calls for fire." That sounds like over those 45 days there were multiple missions to provide suppressive fire. They're not explicit about what that means but it sounds like, "if you see anything moving in this arc, take a few shots at them". Presumably there's some AI to prevent it from wasting ammo on really dumb decoys.

A "simple" mobile automated turret has been around for a while. The novelty they would be demonstrating is essentially battlefield robustness. They aren't claiming that this machine can operate completely autonomously for 6 weeks but the incremental pieces are still hard.

mullingitover 2 hours ago
I’ve been wondering when modern battlefields would get Team Fortress 2 sentries.
wiseowise 29 minutes ago
When French start supplying Spies.
krunck 30 minutes ago
Why is no one using EMP devices against drones?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Non-nucl...

alephnerd 26 minutes ago
They are. EW and IR C-UAS has been productionized over the past decade in most countries, but there are still supply chain and cost blockers around power electronics and they tend to be treated as a last resort because of their indiscriminate nature.
DoctorOetker 7 minutes ago
A magnet, a conventional explosive, and a coil on a flexible cylinder of polymer film; are power electronics truly necessary for a localized EMP?
alephnerd 3 minutes ago
Yes. Range, accuracy, targeting, and reducing blast radius matter.

Not sure what else I can say so I'll leave it at that, and will not engage with further comments.

giacomoforte 21 minutes ago
This is surely the future. At some point we will eventually have battles fought entirely by pilot(less) drones? And then war becomes purely economical.
m101 10 minutes ago
It would start economical and then some side would eventually resort to the meat grinder.
outside2344 1 hour ago
We really are trying our best to make Terminator reality aren't we?
k__ 1 hour ago
Maybe drones will make human soldiers unacceptable in the future.
intheitmines 49 minutes ago
“It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine - a gun - which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished.” ― Richard Jordan Gatling, 1877
outside2344 30 minutes ago
Should write a MIT case study on that in "Bad Hypotheses 101"
dguest 41 minutes ago
If only wars would end when all the soldiers on one side were dead.

If the people fought before they'll keep fighting, even after their robots are gone.

theptip 1 hour ago
They will certainly make human soldiers unviable. (I draw mostly dystopian conclusions from that prediction.)
throwaway85825 1 hour ago
Or it will just lead to lopsided massacres like the maxim gun did.
yread 49 minutes ago
On the plus side there is now quite a lot of drone on drone combat saving people's lives
kelvinjps10 1 hour ago
They are being operated by humans
scarmig 1 hour ago
But imagine the efficiencies to be gained if you swapped out the direct human operator with an automated operator. Then, you can have teams of automated operators being operated by a single human!
kakacik 1 hour ago
There was never any other option, given the direction of progress and basic human nature.

I know I know, but this and that and not me nor you, yet here we are and this is just beginning.

reenorap 30 minutes ago
> each evening, it withdrew to a covered location.

Why? Isn't the advantage that it can stay in a position indefinitely? Does it not have infrared cameras, etc?

mrhottakes 1 hour ago
My car also held position for 6 weeks during the winter storms
Ifkaluva 1 hour ago
I had a car hold its position for 6 months during the pandemic. It became occupied by rats, which was fun to deal with.

They gathered some apples from a nearby tree, and apparently had set up a hard cider production facility.

roughly 19 minutes ago
One of my favorite fun facts is that it’s nearly impossible to get a hamster drunk - their foraging method is to get, eg, grains and fruits and store them piled up underground in their burrow, where they of course ferment, so hamsters’ livers have become unreasonably good at metabolizing alcohol.
mrhottakes 1 hour ago
i'm going to write a fawning article about cars standing still
throwaway85825 1 hour ago
The proportion of videos featuring drones taking out other drones is increasing.
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AftHurrahWinch 2 hours ago
"It takes infantry to hold territory" is still true I guess, but now it's a single operator in a bunker.
verdverm 2 hours ago
Perhaps in the dead man zone, not sure this would work well where there is civilian population.
bee_rider 49 minutes ago
I haven’t heard “dead man zone” (although I don’t really engage much with military stuff so maybe it is just an expression I’m not familiar with).

I think “no man’s land” is a pretty popular and similar expression. Out of curiosity, did you translate “dead man zone” from another language?

I just find it interesting because it seems conceptually similar but much bleaker, so if it comes from, like, French or German or something maybe it reflects an even bleaker WW1 experience.

aleksiy123 16 minutes ago
It seems like there could actually be a difference between them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man_zone - is related to bush fires but seems like it could apply to a battlefield?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_man%27s_land

Something more akin to actually being in "measure" or strike distance vs just contested territory in between?

Edit: Sibling comment I think clears it up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_zone

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hkpack 27 minutes ago
You can call it whatever you like: kill zone, gray zone, dead zone - everyone usually understands what does it means.

Good article on what it is: https://texty.org.ua/projects/116021/20-kilometers-of-the-gr...

verdverm 24 minutes ago
> I haven’t heard “dead man zone”

It's the space between trenches. I've been watching a WW1 chronological documentary where they use it, but it's also been said in various ways, as you say.

Said playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxOb_127vxja...

Time Ghost makes awesome chrono documentaries for the major wars. And a ton of mini series on special topics.

superjan 49 minutes ago
But what if it gets hacked by the russians?
trvz 2 minutes ago
Considering the usual behavior of the Russian military, it’ll keep firing at Russian soldiers.
naizarak 52 minutes ago
Nice marketing pitch. In reality it was probably parked at an empty crossroads 10 miles behind the frontline, taking potshots at "suspected" enemy positions.
CrzyLngPwd 1 hour ago
This is on my 2026 bingo card of things that never happened.
garganzol 1 hour ago
Yep, until it hits you.
roysting 1 hour ago
Maybe it's the ghost of Kiev controlling the robot army? You don't know. But they sure should get a $50 billion contract to make them
ck2 49 minutes ago
So what happens in a few years when a submarine pulls up some miles off US coast and unleashes 100 super-automated drones to terrorize the country?

Heck maybe not even a sub needed, some smaller country could have an automated tiny raft too small to be seen on radar tow in the drones

They could charge via phantom power from powerlines and will find a way around GPS jamming

andrewstuart 1 hour ago
Is there some sort of hybrid flying/stationary drone that flys in an sits to hold a ground position?
throwaway85825 1 hour ago
Common tactic is for drones to wait next to a road and ambush.
samothrace 1 hour ago
Ammunition is heavy.
pirbull 1 hour ago
looks like a treadmill
SirFatty 1 hour ago
Not a drone...
tantalor 57 minutes ago
How is it not a drone?
gclawes 1 hour ago
Are these the ones controlled by Steam Decks?
konchunas 1 hour ago
These ones by PS5 controllers I believe
roysting 1 hour ago
This smells more like military propagand, i.e., bullshit.

There is no way this is honest or real, i.e., it somehow fought off a tactical unit trying to take the frontline that this drone was holding? Or was it just parked in some area where there was no tactical point of even taking the territory?

Just by virtue of its nature, a single drone and/or a well placed dumb grenade, not even to mention likely a smoke grenade could have easily defeated this thing within seconds of deployment if there was any interest in taking the area this toy was "controlling".

Someone is doing a literal con job to get military graft and fraud contracts.

lokar 27 minutes ago
AIUI, a current common tactic for the Russians is sending many small groups of untrained "solders" out probe the front lines and try to penetrate undefended spots. They take a ton of casualties, but some make it through, and they gradually build up, and then try to take action.
WhatsTheBigIdea 1 hour ago
Perhaps it would be helpful to view the claims of this article through a cost/benefit analysis?

Clearly if the opponent had wanted to defeat this vehicle and take this ground, they could have.

That said, it seems likely that this vehicle substantially increased the expected cost of taking this ground, and it did so at very little cost/risk to the defenders.

This sort of device dramatically changes the equation of conflict. It seems this article does a pretty good (though unverified) job of making that case.

kakacik 1 hour ago
There are real videos, even months old of exactly these 'land drones', equipped with good ol' .50 cal. In certain situations, they fought extremely well given no risk for crew. I mean killing off entire bmp-something transport including all crew with AP rounds, typically during night since it has night vision, zoom and so on. Verified also by drone flying nearby.

Now I am not claiming all the facts stated in the article are verified by me, but I can imagine one of them got so lucky with drones and getting hidden from their view for prolonged time it could theoretically pull it off. Not sure about batteries/fuel/ammo part thought.

csours 1 hour ago
Yes propaganda and bullshit, but by way of exaggeration and puffery, not lying.

I wouldn't expect even a lightly informed mid-wit to think that this murderbot held the ground by itself; and I don't think the author expects that either. Thus something else is probably going on. To wit - puffery.

adrian_b 1 hour ago
The murderbot is remotely operated, so it did not held the ground by itself, though it is claimed that it might be able to do some things autonomously.
crazygringo 47 minutes ago
Are these called drones? I thought drones flew.

The article calls this a "Ukrainian unmanned ground vehicle armed with a machine gun" and the headline calls it a "Ukrainian Combat Robot". Not a "drone" like the submitter's title has.

Edit: it seems like the creator calls it a "droid". Is that just them, or is that becoming standard terminology for a kind of ground-based "soldier-robot"? See:

https://devdroid.tech/en/catalog/droid-tw

tart-lemonade 37 minutes ago
The <title> tag is "Ukrainian Drone Holds Position for 6 Weeks". OP probably hit the "fetch title" button or copy-pasted from a chat app embed when submitting.