74 points by mooreds 5 days ago | 8 comments
causal 5 hours ago
A lot of deep sea creatures have very slow metabolisms. It is one of the many reasons sea dredging and mining should be held with such disdain: these are ecosystems which may take thousands of years to recover.

We don't even appreciate how long it takes a forest to recover, much less one with glass sponges that are thousands of years old.

brailsafe 1 hour ago
> We don't even appreciate how long it takes a forest to recover

Don't forget about forests that are thousands of years old too, very contemporary serious long-term damage

jackconsidine 7 hours ago
When H Melville stuffed the middle of Moby Dick with a "cetology" -- BEFORE The Origin of Species, famously saying "a whale is a fish" -- he didn't forget the Greenland Shark. I think all the time about how many of those sharks swimming around in 1851 are still swimming around today.
mikkupikku 4 hours ago
Note that Melville was well aware of the reasons that "whales aren't fish", and went over those in detail, then said he was going to call them fish anyway.
IncreasePosts 3 hours ago
I think that's perfectly fair. The same way everyone knows that chimps are monkeys, it's just brainy losers who insist they're just apes
mikkupikku 2 hours ago
Yes I agree. All the moreso because the word fish is very ancient and was used to mean any aquatic animal long before Linnaeus came along and decided to "well ackshully" the word.
jbaber 2 hours ago
This is a reach, but do you know where to find the essay I read about someone explaining to King David that a whale isn't a fish and the King laughs at him because his modern mammal explanations are useless and impractical compared to the ones he uses?

I've been trying to re-find it for ages.

IncreasePosts 2 hours ago
chrisrickard 13 minutes ago
Thank you, a refreshingly interesting read
frmersdog 6 hours ago
There's a business lesson in the longest lived creatures being the ones that move slow, abide small insults, and make themselves generally unappetizing.
fmbb 4 hours ago
But are they rich?
AnimalMuppet 3 hours ago
What is being rich, if you die young?
internet_points 5 hours ago
Oh, the article is by Katherine Rundell. She has written some very nice children's books.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46511555

egl2020 2 hours ago
The Greenland shark appears, if I remember correctly, in her book "Golden Mole", which is about many interesting creatures. This is published as Vanishing Treasures in some countries. Her "Super-Infinite: The Transformations of John Donne" is interesting and also not a children's book.
joshuaheard 6 hours ago
Jeremy Wade, host of the TV show "River Monsters", has an episode where he investigates the Loch Ness Monster and concludes it's likely a Greenland Shark that swam up an underground river from the North Atlantic to the lake. He likens the shark's horse-like face and the distribution of the low fins on the shark's back to descriptions of the monster. A solitary long-living fish could explain the occasional sightings, and the scientists' findings that there is not enough food in the lake for a breeding population of large carnivores.
dragonwriter 5 hours ago
As a sibling comment notes most sharks cannot live long in freshwater, and moreover this is soecifically true of Greenland sharks, though they do sometimes spend time in brackish river mouth environments, so, unless it developed the weird behavior of migrating quickly up the relevant underground river to make a quick appearance and then inmediately rushing back down the river to the ocean, that’s one answer we can be fairly certain is wrong.

There are a few sharks that can live in freshwater, but they tend to inhabit warmer oceans.f_

RajT88 4 hours ago
Totally wild factoid: Bull sharks have been caught in tributaries of the Mississippi River in Illinois. (Back before they built all the dams)
darkteflon 40 minutes ago
Bull sharks are often found in rivers tens of kilometres from the ocean in Queensland.
dragonwriter 3 hours ago
Yeah, bull sharks are the most common and wide-ranging of the sharks that are adapted to survive in a wide range of salinity levels.
cucumber3732842 3 hours ago
That's the kind of rare and highly luck based curiosity they ought to give you a plaque for. "From this shore in 1973 local angler..." Slap it on the same sign post as the flood high water markers they put up.
joshuaheard 3 hours ago
That's too bad. I thought he was on to something.
RajT88 6 hours ago
He is likely wrong (most sharks cannot live long in fresh water). But given the show, he has to conclude it is a fish of some sort, and it is not going to be 10k arctic char in a dinosaur suit.
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ljlolel 6 hours ago
Doubt a shark could survive in freshwater. They’re very tuned to salinity
mikkupikku 4 hours ago
Bull sharks can, but they're the famous exception to this. Sometimes they swim up a river and nip somebody.
the_af 4 hours ago
The most likely explanation for the Loch Ness Monster, of course, is that it's entirely made up and didn't require an actual sighting or a real physical phenomenon, ever, to trigger people's imaginations.
keiferski 4 hours ago
I think the title is a reference to David Foster Wallace's awesome article, Consider the Lobster.

https://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf

rsynnott 3 hours ago
David Foster Wallace has always irritated me, in that I've greatly enjoyed all of his essays that I've read, including this one, but I bounced off the novel hard.
owlninja 4 hours ago
Which is homage to Consider the Oyster I believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consider_the_Oyster

bananzamba 4 hours ago
So that is where Silicon Valley got the "Consider the X" running gag from.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KuVEbBmu1EM

_joel 3 hours ago
Hello Ordinary Sausage
ikeashark 4 hours ago
Consider the elephant when?