Arm AGI CPU(newsroom.arm.com)
150 points by RealityVoid 2 hours ago | 23 comments
tombert 7 minutes ago
The name of this CPU is bordering on securities fraud. When people see the term "AGI" now, they are assuming "Artificial General Intelligence", not "Agentic AI Infrastructure".

Of course people don't realize that, and people will buy ARM stock thinking they've cracked AGI. The people running Arm absolutely know this, so this name is what we in the industry call a "lie".

alfalfasprout 2 minutes ago
the whole AI space is rife with much worse example of what could be considered securities fraud tbh
aurareturn 51 minutes ago
This is just a Neoverse CPU that Arm will manufacture themselves at TSMC and then sell directly to customers.

It isn't an "AI" CPU. There is nothing AI about it. There is nothing about it that makes it more AI than Graviton, Epyc, Xeon, etc.

This was already revealed in the Qualcomm vs Arm lawsuit a few years ago. Qualcomm accused Arm of planning to sell their CPUs directly instead of just licensing. Arm's CEO at the time denied it. Qualcomm ends up being right.

I wrote a post here on why Arm is doing this and why now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47032932

benob 6 minutes ago
This reminds me of Intel talking about faster web browsing with the new Pentium
steve1977 56 minutes ago
I think the interesting bit is actually this:

For the first time in our more than 35-year history, Arm is delivering its own silicon products

rafram 44 minutes ago
AGI (Agentic AI Infrastructure) is joining CSS (Compute Subsystems) in their lineup, apparently. Who’s naming this stuff?
LikesPwsh 27 minutes ago
The same people who abbreviate "generative" AI in a way that misleadingly conflates it with "general" AI.

Fraud is just the default lifestyle of marketers.

LollipopYakuza 34 minutes ago
So Artificial General Intelligence and Cascading Style Sheets are not joining forces?
rafram 22 minutes ago
Always have been :)
throwa356262 2 hours ago
AGI = Agentic AI Infrastructure

In case you were thinking about some other abbreviation...

ww520 2 minutes ago
Should have called it A^3I^2 - Arm Agentic Artificial Intelligence Infrastructure.
conductr 41 minutes ago
Missed opportunity to call it AAII and market it as twice as powerful as regular AI.
flopsamjetsam 9 minutes ago
A^2I^2 or (AI)^2
ux266478 1 hour ago
I think this is a poetic encapsulation of the AI industry at this point. A beautifully poignant vignette.
Aerroon 30 minutes ago
bee_rider 31 minutes ago
It’s like they decided to moon all the onlookers while jumping the shark…

I don’t know if it was intentional or they were so far out over their skis that they got their bathing suit caught, but it’s impressive either way.

RealityVoid 2 hours ago
It's... really something. Not good. Something.
monegator 32 minutes ago
what lenghts are they going to, just to say we have achieved AGI... now who's moving the goalpost?
esafak 42 minutes ago
The coast is clear to come up with your own expansion for AI!
hootz 1 hour ago
What a terrible, terrible name.
charcircuit 1 hour ago
AGI stands for Artificial General Intelligence.
lock1 34 minutes ago
Pretty sure it stands for "Artificial abbreviation & hype GeneratIon" nowadays
hagbard_c 1 hour ago
Are you sure it doesn't stand for Advanced Guessing Instrument? That's what the result often seem to indicate after all.
lupajz 1 hour ago
I mean, they could at least use AI to figure out how to name their AI product.
embedding-shape 28 minutes ago
> I work at ARM, we're launching a new CPU optimized for LLM usage. We're thinking of calling it "Arm Agentic AI Infrastructure CPU", or "Arm AGI CPU" for short. Do you think this is a good idea?

> No. I would not use it as the product name. “AGI CPU” will be read as artificial general intelligence, not “agentic AI infrastructure,” so it invites confusion and sounds hypey.

To bad these executives seemingly don't have access to ChatGPT.

_ache_ 42 minutes ago
They did ask AI if AGI what a great name. It said that it was the greatest name possible. It's bold, aspirational, and ... polarizing?!

Oh god! Mistral tell me it's highly polarizing, will make the buzz and it's risky but anyway people will know that ARM is doing CPU again now (maybe I did put too many context).

foolproofplan 46 minutes ago
maybe they did and why they got this slop?
artyom 40 minutes ago
Not bait at all
SilverElfin 1 hour ago
They pathetically don’t mention what it stands for anywhere in this press release. Deceptive marketing at worst, shameless AI-washing at best.
WhrRTheBaboons 59 minutes ago
I would've went for Agentic Neural Infrastructure personally

ARMANI for short /s

ahmedfromtunis 7 minutes ago
Poor TSMC (and ASML)! They were already struggling with capacity to fulfill orders from their established customers. With ARM now joining the them, I don't know they're going to cope.

Edit: They new CPU will be build with the soon-to-be-former leading edge process of 3nm lithography.

mkl 1 hour ago
This is like naming your kid World President Smith.
rboyd 1 hour ago
This could work. Right? https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2002-12744-001

My realtor's last name is House

tombert 6 minutes ago
My urologist, and I swear I'm not making this up, has the last name "Wiener".
conductr 35 minutes ago
> Studies 1-5 showed that people are disproportionately likely to live in places whose names resemble their own first or last names (e.g., people named Louis are disproportionately likely to live in St. Louis).

When I lived in Austin, it seemed like a third of boys born were being named Austin. I presume many of them will end up living there as adults but not because of this particular bias, because they were raised there and have family’s there seems to be a more likely driver.

chrisweekly 28 minutes ago
"Nominative determinism" is everywhere once you look for it. My vet's last name is McStay.
technothrasher 24 minutes ago
> Studies 1-5 showed that people are disproportionately likely to live in places whose names resemble their own first or last names

There are several cities in the US that share my last name. I don't live near any of them.

> Study 6 extended this finding to birthday number preferences.

D'oh!

IshKebab 58 minutes ago
Reporting bias.
bt1a 16 minutes ago
Oh wow already in use by Meta, OpenAI, and more ?? https://www.arm.com/products/cloud-datacenter/arm-agi-cpu/ec...

The TDP to memory bandwidth& capacity ratio form these blades is in a class of its own, yes?

bobmcnamara 13 minutes ago
6GB/s/core

That's...not much right? Maybe it's a lot times N-cores? But I really hope each individual core isn't limited to that.

Edit: 17 minutes to sum RAM?

yabutlivnWoods 1 hour ago
How fun would it be if due to improved chips handling more model state RAM needs are reduced and Sama cannot make all those RAM purchases he booked?

VC without a degree who has no grasp of hardware engineering failed up when all he had to do was noodle numbers in an Excel sheet.

He is so far behind the hardware scene he thinks its sitting still and RAM requirements will be a nice linear path to AGI. Not if new chips optimized for model streaming crater RAM needs.

Hilarious how last decades software geniuses are being revealed as incompetent finance engineers whose success was all due to ZIRP offering endless runway.

gtowey 1 hour ago
The thing they are good at is bullshitting and selling hype. Which we see here doesn't mean they are actually going to be good at running a business. Smart leaders understand they are not omnipotent and omniscient so they surround themselves who know how to get things done. Weak, narcissist leaders think they're the smartest one in the room and fail.

Unfortunately failing upwards is still somehow common, probably because the skill of parting fools from their money is still valuable.

thereitgoes456 1 hour ago
No, he is also good at networking. When OpenAI was mission-driven and Sam was more respected, he could convince the most talented people to work for him.

Now the talent is going to other places for a variety of reasons, not all due to Sam (one of which is little room for options to grow). However it’s hard to believe his tanking reputation is not badly hurting the company. Other than Jakub and Greg, I believe there are not many top tier people left, those in top positions are there because they are yes-men to Sam.

mhjkl 1 hour ago
What RAM? OpenAI booked the silicon wafers, they can print anything they want on them. I wouldn't call them "far behind" on hardware when OpenAI are actively buying Cerebras chips.
RealityVoid 2 hours ago
Arm apparently now sells their own CPU's.
papichulo2023 1 hour ago
What does "Built for rack-scale agentic efficiency" even means?
throwa356262 1 hour ago
If you read past the marketing talk, this is basically a massively multicore system (136) with significantly reduced power usage (300W).

Where does Agentic come into this? ARMs explanation is that future Agentic workloads will be both CPU and GPU bound thus the need for significant CPU efficiency.

inerte 1 hour ago
It's volume of tokens consumed x number of agents x rack space. Basically agentic computation density.
ray_v 1 hour ago
We just say words now that sound good for marketing but have no real meaning.
thewebguyd 1 hour ago
Big "but mongodb is web scale" vibes
varispeed 1 hour ago
It's a code sentence for let's go to the utility room to cross pollinate ideas.
r_lee 1 hour ago
I was gonna say just big DCs in marketing yap but really wtf does that mean?
otabdeveloper4 1 hour ago
It's when LLM agents are inefficient that you need a whole rack of servers to get shit done.
sdwvit 1 hour ago
Translation: “Can you give us some money pretty please?”
midnightdiesel 34 minutes ago
What a product name choice! I wasn’t expecting ARM to pivot to selling snake oil.
myhf 8 minutes ago
finally, a CPU capable of making API calls to cloud providers
josemanuel 27 minutes ago
Interesting that Jensen Huang joined in the congratulations for this new product!
twostorytower 40 minutes ago
And the stock is down >2% today
torusle 25 minutes ago
ARM riding the "everything is AI" train.

So sad.

SilverElfin 1 hour ago
Call this an “AGI CPU” just feels like the most out of touch, terrible marketing possible. Maybe this is unfair but it makes me think ARM as a whole is incompetent just because it is so tasteless.

> Arm has additionally partnered with Supermicro on a liquid-cooled 200kW design capable of housing 336 Arm AGI CPUs for over 45,000 cores.

Also just bad timing on trying to brag about a partnership with Supermicro, after a founder was just indicted on charges of smuggling Nvidia GPUs. Just bizarre to mention them at all.

rvz 1 hour ago
Meta are heavily invested in building their own chips with ARM to reduce their reliance on Nvidia as everyone is going after their (Nvidia) data center revenues.

This is why Meta acquired a chip startup for this reason [0] months ago.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-buy-chip-startup-rivos...

jeffbee 36 minutes ago
Many of these words are unexplained. "Memory and I/O on the same die". Oh? What does this mean? All of the DRAM in the photo/render is still on sticks. Do they mean the memory controller? Or is there an embedded DRAM component?
ahoka 29 minutes ago
All processors have memory on the same die.
jeffbee 14 minutes ago
How much, what kind, and what is your source?

All mainstream server CPUs have a megabyte or two of SRAM on a core, of course.

nurettin 1 hour ago
I was wondering who convinced ARM to manufacture hardware. Turns out it was Meta.
cmrdporcupine 51 minutes ago
Now if only they would go back to being "Acorn RISC Machines" and make a nice desktop home computer again...

One can dream.

wmf 19 minutes ago
DGX Spark is pretty nice. It could be cheaper if they removed the NIC though.
walterbell 53 minutes ago
Nuvia/Qualcomm lawsuit and Softbank.
redwood 1 hour ago
Fabless. Like AMD and Nvidia. So I would think about it more as branding and packaging than Manufacturing
anvuong 58 minutes ago
Huh, many companies use TSMC, in fact, probably all of them use TSMC, including Intel, yet there are only a few who dominates in performance. There are much more in designing chips than what you just listed.
IshKebab 52 minutes ago
There's a big difference between just providing IP and actually doing the physical design, manufacturing and packaging. You can't just send your RTL to TSMC and magically get packaged chips back.

I haven't ever ordered an ARM SoC but I also wouldn't be surprised if there were significant parts that they left up to integrators before - PLLs, pads, SRAM etc.

DeathArrow 20 minutes ago
Now every product will have the AI buzzword in it's name, just like 25 years ago product names started with letter e, from electronic.

So we will see AI Toilet Paper launching in the next months.

vova_hn2 1 hour ago
I found this article extremely frustrating to read. Maybe I lack some required prior knowledge and I am not the target audience for this.

> built on the Arm Neoverse platform

What the heck is "Arm Neoverse"? No explanation given, link leads to website in Chinese. Using Firefox translating tool doesn't help much:

> Arm Neoverse delivers the best performance from the cloud to the edge

What? This is just a pile of buzzwords, it doesn't mean anything.

The article doesn't seem to contain any information on how much it costs or any performance benchmarks to compare it with other CPUs. It's all just marketing slop, basically.

nicoburns 1 hour ago
> The ARM Neoverse is a group of 64-bit ARM processor cores licensed by Arm Holdings. The cores are intended for datacenter, edge computing, and high-performance computing use. The group consists of ARM Neoverse V-Series, ARM Neoverse N-Series, and ARM Neoverse E-Series.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Neoverse

snek_case 1 hour ago
I feel like this is most products in the AI space lately. More marketing fuzz than substance. Hard to figure out what thing even does.