Edit: yup looks like it
In one photo, Abramovic holds a bloody, skinned goat head—a symbol associated with Baphomet, a pagan idol tied to Satanism. Another image depicts her standing behind a model posed as a “dead” body, naked with her internal organs spilling out. Abramovic’s hand gestures in these photos are said to align with occult practices.
- https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/zara-announces-new-creepy-...
If that's not demonic, Satanic, and occult, what would you ever call demonic, Satanic, and occult? Does every demonic person need to self-identify as such? Is this a game of "she's not because she says she's not"? Believe people when they tell you what they are.
Not clear to me how that has anything to do with my comment. Thanks for the reminder not to engage with bizarre comments, though.
Certainly it’s possible to critique her, but I’m not seeing any of that here.
But I don’t see any of that here. Just mindless “it’s dumb.” Very similar vibes to the angry atheism cultural trends 15 years ago.
My reaction to your response is that your moral compass has the sensitivity of a glass thermometer that fell off the wall.
I don’t personally care for her work, at least the more recent stuff. Her older performances were more interesting. But I’m not evaluating it morally, and I don’t really see how it being “demonic” is equivalent to it being dumb.
Easy read, personal & entertaining. Highly recommended.
I mean it's not like everything from New York is bad, but even the good stuff there is eclipsed by the sheer volume and assumed gravitas of pretentious crap. (Apparently there's now a whole scene there of right-wing pretentious crap too, so this is by no means a political dig.)
It'd be kind of like Kagi's "small web" switch. Show me the great painter of incredibly moving scenes in some college town in Michigan who lives in a borderline squat and can't pay her bills or the indie hillbilly trip-hop crossover band in Oklahoma doing something original and actually good.
The net was supposed to be all about this but algorithms have kind of ruined it by algorithmically promoting attention bait, like an automated version of the pretentious gravitas machine but with even worse taste.
Years ago I lived in a little town called Asheville, NC. I've heard it's not as good as it used to be but back then... the sheer number of unbelievable artists that nobody had ever heard of and were living at or near poverty was staggering. I miss strolling through downtown and stopping into galleries and routinely seeing pieces that were moving. I really wish I'd collected more of it or at least taken notes and written down names. The place was also covered in graffiti far more interesting and clever than most of Banksy. I photographed a little of it. Should have photographed more.
Apparently there's a number of small towns and medium sized cities with concentrations like this, because seldom can artists genuinely committed to their own visions afford to live in a place like NYC. The reason you saw a lot of genuinely innovative art there once was that it was cheap because it was dirty and crime-ridden. Now people like that go to little towns, medium sized cities in the interior, and the middle of nowhere.
I do think going to NYC can be actively harmful though... there's been two musicians I genuinely loved who made incredible original visionary stuff in places like Ann Arbor MI and Mississippi and then moved to NYC and their stuff became dull atonal ambient click-noise junk. Cause that's avant garde, I guess.
Tangentially...
I've heard there is now a quietly but explicitly well-funded detachment of far-right and "alt-right" New Yorker artists and intellectuals making right-wing coded pretentious crap. (Most pretentious crap is left-coded but it does not have to be.) Maybe this is what will finally kill the thing I'm talking about.
https://medium.com/the-hairpin/the-best-time-i-pretended-i-h...
Some of the references regional or are dated, since it is from 10 years ago.
A version of this I've experienced before is when someone's trying to "pill" you on some ideology that you've already examined and tossed aside. They keep trying to educate you on it. Like the problem is you don't get it. You can't even get across that no, in fact, you do get it, and you don't accept it.