111 points by selvan 4 days ago | 8 comments
ssalka 14 hours ago
Something interesting... the first 10 seconds or so of the "Death Growl" example[1] is basically copied verbatim from "Ov Fire And The Void" by Behemoth.

More specifically, I think the part that seems copied is at 2:13 of the original[2], as it leads into a solo-ish bit which in the AI version sounds similar still, but goes on to do its own thing:

[1] https://map-yue.github.io/music/moon.death_metal.mp3

[2] https://youtu.be/vAmnsKKrt9w?t=133

someothherguyy 14 hours ago
> Additionally, our memorization-effect experiments in Section 11 demonstrate that our design maintains creativity without plagiarizing, even under strong training set conditioning.

https://arxiv.org/html/2503.08638v1#S11

hungmung 11 hours ago
Funny because since the Blurred Lines lawsuit you can be infringing for using the same chord progression.
alexjplant 10 hours ago
That decision was ridiculous. It's pretty obvious that the Robin Thicke song is a $1.50 Great Value version of "Got To Give It Up" because of the aesthetic similarities but they have nothing to do with each other melodically or harmonically... "Blurred Lines" sounds like I V with a walk at the end whereas "Got To Give It Up" is more like a I IV V. The vocal melodies aren't the same nor is the bass. They have different arrangements. The percussion isn't the same.

The only things they have in common are vibes (in the contemporary sense, not vibraphones). Two dudes singing about sex in falsetto at 120bpm over prototypical R&B/funk elements isn't special. If that's the bar for copyright infringement then 99% of the popular music canon is illegally-derivative. Marvin Gaye was a singular talent but that doesn't mean that his heirs should be able to collect money every time somebody plays an electric piano bassline and sings about making whoopie in alto II.

bargainbin 3 hours ago
It was ridiculous but I think it’s important to note it was a jury trial:

1) They had a musician come in and deconstruct the songs, and she showed that many of Blurred Lines elements copied the “rhythm” and “feel” of the sheet music, not the master recording.

2) Robin Thicke said in an interview he told Pharrell they should make something with the groove of Got To Give It Up.

As a non-musical person in a jury, those points are convincing enough that there was intent to copy the song even if the final song is clearly different. Though, it should never have been down to a jury and judge to decide.

Even more hilarious, a couple of years ago the Gayes tried to sue Pharrell because of an interview where he mentioned again Got To Give It Up was inspiration for Blurred Lines. Luckily that failed, but they definitely have it in for Pharrell it seems.

jacquesm 2 hours ago
That same jury would have a very hard time processing the fact that all music is based upon the music that came before. Before you know it the JS Bach estate (if there is such a thing) ends up owning all of the music made after the 16th century and we should all be very lucky that Hildegard von Bingen was a nun from a very early age.
j-bos 1 hour ago
Ah but that would be perfect because then all music would be freely available via public domain, recordings exempted of course.
vorgol 13 hours ago
The youtube link is suddenly not available any more (at least in the UK)
amelius 13 hours ago
Does Shazam think it is the same?
coldtea 1 hour ago
Does it matter? If the AI "comes up" with "Let it Be" melody on kazoo, it wont match "Let it Be" the Beatles single either, but it will still be plagiarized.
ZoomZoomZoom 1 hour ago
I get the incentives for full-song generation models, but it looks like it's the only thing that pops up. Where are the audio models I can use with a positive effect while working on music? Style transfer for instruments, restoration (but not just trained on over-compressed mp3s, talking about bad recording conditions), audio-to-audio editing?

You'd think those would be easier to achieve than something that tries to just replace me completely.

lotyrin 15 hours ago
Very nice. Anyone know of projects that aren't tackling the full-song problem but rather instrument parts/loops/stems/acapellas? I'd like something that's more like "infinite AI Loopcloud/Splice" most of these full-song models don't do well to be asked for individual parts in my experience (though I will have to try it with this one).
vunderba 13 hours ago
This gets discussed a lot but unfortunately there's just not much out there around this.

The closest thing I've seen is virtual drummers in Logic X which will follow along with the structure of your song and generate a percussive accompaniment. It's no substitute for a real drummer but it's serviceable.

platers 15 hours ago
https://suno.com/studio-waitlist Just a waitlist so far, but looks like this is the direction suno is going
lotyrin 14 hours ago
Yeah... I hope this is what their plan is with that, but I'm not entirely certain.
HxokcPwi 13 hours ago
ErigmolCt 2 hours ago
Honestly surprised no one's made a true "AI-Splice" yet
rwmj 14 hours ago
Also live AI dueting would be interesting, like having a virtual guitarist you could jam/duet with.
HxokcPwi 13 hours ago
lotyrin 14 hours ago
Yeah. Or like, a loop that plays continuously and has style parameters exposed you can tweak with a controller like a Midi Fighter Twister and get feedback from in real-time. Then you could do something akin to DJ/live production by having two of these going in sync with each other into a mixer. (Tweak params of the cue track until you like it, transition at a phrase point, repeat).
epiccoleman 8 hours ago
Yesssss. Something I'd really like is some kind of virtual drummer pedal with an expression pedal (pedals?) so that it can be tweaked in real time.

One of the most fun things about jamming with other musicians is that things change with the ebb and flow of the band's energy. i always miss it when I'm just fooling around at home with a looper.

HxokcPwi 13 hours ago
lotyrin 10 hours ago
Oh! The idea that each parameter could be associated with a text style prompt is a refinement of the idea for sure.
bangaladore 13 hours ago
What is the use case for music generation models? I see usecases for alot of the other foundation models like text, image, tts, sst, but why do I want AI generated music?
daydream 48 minutes ago
> What is the use case for music generation models?

New types of electronic instruments.

We’ve been able to use analog circuits, digital logic, and then computers to generate sounds for decades… aka synthesizers.

I would love to see synthesizers which use music generation models under the hood to create new sounds. And / or new interfaces to create different types of instruments.

There’s a lot to explore here, in the same way there was (is) lots of exploration of electronic music starting I suppose with the Theremin in the 1930s.

coldtea 1 hour ago
A major subset is people pretending to be musicians but not care to make music themselves. They just want the title for free. That's the demographic that used loops off of Splice (not even crate digging) + note generators and such and called it a day.

Another more valid subset would be something like a music bed for a video or podcast etc.

A third use is for spamming streaming platforms and making money off undiscerning suckers.

stockerta 1 hour ago
The use case: you are a talent-less idiot who wants to call yourself a musician whit these generated shit.
FridgeSeal 13 hours ago
Now you don’t need to know how to make music! You’re finally free of all those pesky, elitist musicians gate-keeping music!!!!1!
thrown-0825 4 hours ago
this isnt reddit
coldtea 58 minutes ago
And yet your comment is 100% reddit level, from a throw-away account nonetheless.
ErigmolCt 2 hours ago
Content creators often need background music without worrying about licensing
meindnoch 2 hours ago
Flood Spotify with trillions of AI-generated songs. Even if only 0.00001% of them earns a penny, they will make bank.
frank_nitti 13 hours ago
I’ve mostly used them for laughs with my friends. Sometimes generating “custom” songs with funny lyrics, but most fun so far is editing lyrics of existing songs to say ridiculous things for fun.

No real clue how someone would use them for a more serious endeavor, only thing I could imagine would be to quickly iterate/prototype with song structures on a fixed seed to generate ideas for a real composition. Consider the case of an indie game developer or film maker getting some placeholder music to test the experience during early throwaway iterations.

thrown-0825 4 hours ago
streamers and youtubers are constantly looking for royalty free music options.

i could see something like this baked into an editing tool that allowers video editors to specify a tone or style of music in plain language to serve as background music.

rchaud 9 hours ago
It's the only way for Spotify to turn a profit without all the human work of having to scout, sign and promote flesh-and-blood artists, the things that real music labels do.
libraryatnight 13 hours ago
Generating crappy background music for reality TV?
bangaladore 12 hours ago
Yeah, this seems the most likely. Just loads of royalty free background music for industries that want that.
notachatbot123 2 hours ago
People love to create custom birthday songs etc for you. It's sickening how soulless this feels.
coldtea 57 minutes ago
All the warmth of your friends getting Olive Garden waiters sing "Happy Birthday" to you!
askl 9 hours ago
Put more slop on Spotify hoping it will generate some amount of revenue.
bravesoul2 10 hours ago
Games?
bongodongobob 11 hours ago
An actual serious answer is to help musicians brainstorm while writing. It's so good at helping me come up with ideas, or converting an idea to another genre.
rchaud 9 hours ago
That's called 'jamming' and it's been possible for musicians since the time cavemen figured out they could hit sticks on things to create a rhythm.
ndriscoll 8 hours ago
If the computer is fast enough to keep up with real time music, one could imagine a model that can jam with you with other instruments, reacting to and complementing what you're doing.
deadfoxygrandpa 8 hours ago
thats basically existed at least since 1990 with band in a box
coldtea 57 minutes ago
So to copy AI slop parts?
9 hours ago
kusokurae 8 hours ago
Not using streaming services help somewhat, but I'm not looking forward to having to vet artists I come across for whether they did any substantial original thinking or work for themselves. Tired of snake oil foolishness.
ErigmolCt 2 hours ago
Between AI-generated content and people chasing trends or algorithms, it can feel like everyone's just remixing the same stuff endlessly
thrown-0825 4 hours ago
did a fun experiment around this in 2015 based in karpathy’s unreasonable effectiveness of RNN’s post.

i kept plucking away at it until i got it to a point where it could generate sheet music and guitar tabs in the style of various artists.

would be fun to revisit that project with fresh eyes.

dingnuts 15 hours ago
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senko 14 hours ago
It does seem capable of stirring a lot of emotion, if your comment is any indication.
bongodongobob 14 hours ago
The idea that all music is this super special blood sweat and tears spiritual thing is bullshit. Pop music is written to sell money and this doesn't prevent artists from doing their thing. Relax and let people like things.
QuercusMax 14 hours ago
This is the fast food of music. It's soulless, and steals from real artists.
bongodongobob 14 hours ago
Fast food doesn't steal from gourmet restaurants. If it's so bad, who cares?
nartho 14 hours ago
It doesn't. But fast food and pre-cooked meals made it so a large percentage of people can't cook with raw or unprocessed ingredients anymore and can only rely on giant companies to feed themselves.

Junk food is OK every once in a while, but if that's all you eat you're not going to be healthy. I believe the same is true for the media you consume.

Edit: Also, to add to your analogy, junk food made it so people's palates became accustomed to high amounts of sugar, fat and salt, to a point where some people "Don't like water". If you've only known pizza rolls and chicken tenders, you're unlikely to enjoy a chicory salad or a even a moussaka. And if all your entertainment is call of duty, marvel movies and AI generated music, you're unlikely to enjoy Weather Report, Rachmaninoff or Pynchon. I'm not saying that to to be elitist, but we've got to stop dumbing down culture and entertainment

thrown-0825 3 hours ago
this is the same “not real art” argument that has been going on since someone first drew on a cave.

it was boring decades ago and its boring now

bongodongobob 12 hours ago
This is elitist bullshit. I've been a musician my entire life and made a decent living doing it. People can choose to listen to whatever they want and it's not your job to police what kind of music people can or can't make or what people can choose to listen to.
scarecrowbob 13 hours ago
At least "Fast food doesn't steal from gourmet restaurants."
scarecrowbob 13 hours ago
yeah, but have yall made any progress in a model that can have sex with my partner for me?
NewsaHackO 11 hours ago
I'd imagine that would not get much traction, as there are probably people that would pay you to do that. Since people pay to listen to music, and not to make it, AI has much more utility there. The great thing is, if you are someone who gets joy in making music, AI in no way limits this.
coldtea 55 minutes ago
>The great thing is, if you are someone who gets joy in making music, AI in no way limits this.

Sure it does. It commodifies your passion.